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Consciousness Radio Interview : Prof Tom Froese at OIST (Part 1/2)

Part 2/2 is here    • What grounds the efficacy of consciousness...   In this episode of Consciousness Radio, Nao interviewed a cognitive scientist — Dr. Tom Froese, head of the Embodied Cognitive Science Unit at OIST. Together, they explore the intricate intersections between mind, body, and social context, shedding light on how their diverse academic journeys have shaped their current research perspectives. Dr. Froese begins by discussing his academic roots in Mexico, where he led the 4E Cognition Group at UNAM. There, he collaborated with archaeologists, sociologists, and ecologists, broadening his perspective on cognition beyond conventional Western frameworks. This experience laid the groundwork for his current work at OIST, where he integrates theoretical work, computational modeling, and experimental studies to advance embodied and inactive theories of the mind. Meanwhile, Nao shares his journey from studying physics and mathematics to focusing on consciousness and the brain. Initially inspired by questions such as “Is my red your red?” — a question stemming from his childhood experiences and interactions with friends — he eventually expanded his focus to explore broader cultural and conceptual frameworks. This shift was further catalyzed by the COVID-19 pandemic, during which he delved into category theory and relational structures, seeking common patterns across diverse disciplines, from neuroscience to sociology. A key theme in this discussion is the shared critique of the dominant, language-centered, Western-centric approach to understanding consciousness. Both scholars argue for a more relational, embodied perspective, emphasizing the importance of considering socio-cultural dynamics and developmental contexts in cognition. Dr. Froese notes that his perspective was profoundly shaped by his work with diverse groups in Mexico, which pushed him to question assumptions about what constitutes a mind. Nao echoes this sentiment, reflecting on how exposure to diverse cultural frameworks led him to reconsider the conceptual underpinnings of consciousness research. The conversation then moves to the idea of shared experiences and the concept of qualia. Nao discusses his ongoing Qualia Structure Project, which investigates how people of different ages perceive and categorize colors. Despite conventional assumptions that young children have inconsistent color categorization, their research reveals surprising consistency in the similarity structures of color perception across ages. This finding challenges established developmental psychology theories and underscores the potential of relational approaches in understanding perceptual experiences. Dr. Froese relates these findings to the emergence of self-other differentiation in adolescence — a period when individuals begin to grapple with the realization that others may perceive the world differently. This developmental insight aligns with his broader theoretical framework, which emphasizes the relational and social nature of cognition. Throughout the discussion, the scholars emphasize the importance of stepping outside conventional academic boundaries. Nao shares how his interest in category theory allowed him to draw parallels between mathematical structures and socio-cultural dynamics, expanding his conceptual toolkit for analyzing complex phenomena. Dr. Froese underscores how his experiences in Mexico fostered a more expansive view of mind as a process that extends beyond the individual to encompass social and ecological systems. As the conversation concludes, both researchers reflect on the future of consciousness studies. They discuss the potential of integrating embodied, relational frameworks with empirical and computational methods, exploring how such interdisciplinary approaches could provide deeper insights into the nature of shared experiences, qualia, and the relational structure of consciousness. Join us for this thought-provoking episode as we explore the cutting-edge intersections of mind, body, and society with two leading thinkers in the field of cognitive science. Whether you’re a researcher, a student, or simply curious about the nature of consciousness, this conversation is packed with rich insights and compelling questions that challenge conventional thinking. #ConsciousnessStudies #CognitiveScience #EmbodiedCognition #Qualia #CategoryTheory #DevelopmentalPsychology #OIST #MonashUniversity #TomFroese #NaotsuguTsuchiya #PhilosophyOfMind #Neuroscience #SocialCognition #MindAndBody #QualiaStructure #CulturalPsychology #CognitiveDevelopment #ColorPerception #ComplexSystems #InterdisciplinaryResearch