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In this episode of The Advisory Board Podcast, Dave Hansen sits down with the brilliant, bold, and refreshingly candid Patti Rother, founder of Root and Rise Franchise Development and a seasoned franchise leader with 18+ years of experience scaling beloved brands like Panera, Blink Fitness, and Scent Hound. Patti unpacks the real talk behind franchising—why selling more units isn't real growth, how operations must lead the way, and why royalty self-sufficiency should be your North Star. 💡 She shares her hard-earned insights on helping brands scale without burnout or bloat—backed by bulletproof systems, intentional franchisee selection, and a serious love for tech and AI that makes your whole team more efficient (and human). From fixing broken tech stacks to helping founders say “no” to the wrong leads, Patti’s playbook is filled with clear-eyed, practical wisdom for franchisors who are ready to build something that lasts. 🎧 Huge thanks to ClientTether, our episode sponsor! Their all-in-one CRM and automation platform helps franchise brands nurture smarter, close faster, and grow without the chaos. In This Episode, You’ll Learn: 🧱 Why "sold-not-open" is the most dangerous brag in franchising 📍 How geography, intentionality, and support create validation flywheels ⚙️ Where most brands fail with technology—and how to fix it 👥 Why the first 10 franchisees will make or break your future 🚫 Why chasing the “no” leads to better deals (and fewer regrets) Episode Highlights: Root and Rise: Patti’s mission to bring fractional FranDev leadership + tech brilliance to scaling brands Smart Scale: Building the backend before you need it Franchise Flywheels: Why happy, profitable franchisees fuel everything Tech-Stack Therapy: AI, automation, and systems that multiply your team Leadership with Margin: How freeing your people’s time brings out their best 🔥 If you're growing a franchise system, questioning your tech stack, or stuck in a “snow” problem (sold not open), this episode is your roadmap to building with integrity and efficiency. Connect with Patti Rother: 🌐 https://franchise.dev 📍 LinkedIn: Patti Rother 0:00 – Introduction Dave introduces Patti Rother and teases the episode’s focus on scaling without burnout and bloat. Patti’s background and new venture, Root and Rise Franchise Development, are briefly introduced. 2:45 – Patti’s Mission: Solving Franchise Development Bottlenecks Patti shares her current mission: providing fractional CDO services, combining sales, real estate, construction, and tech optimization. 6:20 – Why Scale Isn’t Just Unit Sales The hosts dive into what real scale means—investing in backend support systems rather than just “selling more units.” 11:30 – Chicken or Egg: Sales vs. Ops Infrastructure They tackle a key franchise dilemma: should franchisors build operations infrastructure before scaling sales? 16:10 – Intentional Growth Strategy Patti explains how to avoid bloated or scattered growth by focusing marketing and sales only on qualified, high-potential leads in strategic regions. 22:00 – The Royalty Revenue Flywheel Discussion shifts to why royalty self-sufficiency is the real financial target for sustainable growth, not franchise fees. 27:50 – The Hidden Cost of Misalignment Dave and Patti unpack how misaligned sales (wrong buyers, too many territories) undermine validation and franchisee satisfaction. 34:00 – Operational Efficiency: Technology & AI Use Patti outlines how CRM automation, thoughtful tech stack consolidation, and AI can supercharge both FranDev and franchise operations. 39:00 – Automating Training & Operations Support On the ops side, Patti recommends video, folder-based onboarding systems, and future-proofing for LMS integration—even for emerging brands. 43:15 – The Real Outcome: Time, Retention & Culture Patti closes by emphasizing how operational efficiency gives teams freedom to be creative, improves retention, and builds a culture of innovation. Hashtags: #AdvisoryBoardPodcast #ClientTether #FranchiseDevelopment #FranDevStrategy #RootAndRise #FranchiseOperations #FranchiseGrowth #FranchiseTech #RoyaltyRevenue #SoldNotOpen #AIinFranchising #ValidationFlywheel #franchisefam #franchising #franchisestrategy #franchisegrowth #frandev #franchisesales #franchisemanagement #podcast #franchisepodcast #franchisecrm